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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission scre
I am not a computer programmer. I do not know how to access behind the scene
programs. When I start internet explorer, it does not ask for permission. I would like to know how to make internet explorer, an administrator. "Jimmy Brush" wrote: Hello, I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off, and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about it. * What is UAC and what does it do? UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work. When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be denied access. * How does UAC work When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to get full admin access to the system: - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you click Continue - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then clicking Run As Administrator A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission, ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change from one to the other. If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission. * What's the point of UAC? UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands, instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer. When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer without you even knowing about it. With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program got there or how it is started. This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now control your system. * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on? It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not. This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then, you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator". Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities. Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator". If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time, running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful - you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try to change a system-wide setting. In short: - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities - Run setup programs as admin - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need admin access - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't yours or system files - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system files as admin - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control panel * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As Administrator for them to run correctly). But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that the Cancel button was available to you. * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something similar. Why do I need UAC? A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer? Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category. Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or similar programs? A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from gaining access to your computer. Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC. A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right? Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to - such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder. Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug. Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does not, then this is a bug. Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me from using it! A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug. Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason! A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have stopped it. - JB Vista Support FAQ http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission scre
If a program does not automatically ask for administrator permission,
right-click it and click Run As Administrator. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
Sorry I still do not understand.
If the program is already running, when I right click it, there is no option to run as administrator. If the program is closed, again I cannot find this option. If I bring up the file in "my computer, C drive, program files, microsoft office, office 12", and then right click, "outlook exe", I can "run as", but I cannot change to administrator. If I "run as", and then untick "protect my computer...", I still cannot access these web sites from internet explorer. I know i must be doing something wrong, but I cannot understand how to do it any other way. "Jimmy Brush" wrote: If a program does not automatically ask for administrator permission, right-click it and click Run As Administrator. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
It sounds as if you may be using Windows XP. Sorry if I misunderstand, but
this newsgroup only pertains to Windows Vista, the next version of Windows. I'm not sure what would be causing your problems in Internet Explorer under Windows XP. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
I am using Vista. Am I looking in the wrong files or something?
"Jimmy Brush" wrote: It sounds as if you may be using Windows XP. Sorry if I misunderstand, but this newsgroup only pertains to Windows Vista, the next version of Windows. I'm not sure what would be causing your problems in Internet Explorer under Windows XP. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
When you right-click on an .exe file inside of Windows Explorer, as you
mentioned, there should be a menu item called "Run As Administrator", as shown in the following pictu http://beans.seartipy.com/wp-content...sAdmin.PNG.jpg This also works if you do this on an item in the start menu: http://www.rockyh.net/images/VSAsadmin.png This will run any application with "administrator" privileges. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
Is there any way to give a program permanent permission to run as
administrator? I have several programs that require this, even though I AM running as an administrator and it is annoying to have to do this every time I run the program. Thanks Jo "Jimmy Brush" wrote: If a program does not automatically ask for administrator permission, right-click it and click Run As Administrator. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
Hello,
This is a good question, but unfortunately this is not possible right now. The reason is because allowing this would allow programs to attack those programs which you have set to always run with administrator power. Imagine the case where you have set the command prompt to always run with admin power without notifying you. A rogue program could then start up a command prompt behind the scenes and perform privileged actions, essentially bypassing UAC. If Microsoft were to have built this feature into Windows Vista, before long all the malware would have learned how to take advantage of it, effectively making UAC worthless. In the future, programs that don't really need admin power won't ask for it, so this problem will not become as prevalent as it is today. And, hopefully Microsoft will figure out a way to allow this functionality without creating a security vulnerability. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
Very few programs actually ask me to approve them everytime I run them, in
fact, hardly any. If your argument is correct, then all those programs could be run be a "rogue" program. So what exactly is being protected? I thought that was what anti-virus and programs like Defender were for? Do you actually have to give permission every time you run every program? I have UAC turned on, and it is only one or two that require it every time. "Jimmy Brush" wrote: Hello, This is a good question, but unfortunately this is not possible right now. The reason is because allowing this would allow programs to attack those programs which you have set to always run with administrator power. Imagine the case where you have set the command prompt to always run with admin power without notifying you. A rogue program could then start up a command prompt behind the scenes and perform privileged actions, essentially bypassing UAC. If Microsoft were to have built this feature into Windows Vista, before long all the malware would have learned how to take advantage of it, effectively making UAC worthless. In the future, programs that don't really need admin power won't ask for it, so this problem will not become as prevalent as it is today. And, hopefully Microsoft will figure out a way to allow this functionality without creating a security vulnerability. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission
I think the reason is that programs running under an admin account have
access to a wider range of stuff. If the program is from a reliable source then fine, there are no problems? However, should the program be from an unreliable source then allowing it full (or foolish) access to stuff under an admin account is not a very wise thing to do. Hence: 1 - install from admin 2 - run from limited user. I'd guess that all if not most reputable software providers will conform to good standards sooner if not later. In the meantime I think it is better to conclude that UAC is your friend with, for some users, a degree of experience and wisdom that far exceeds that of the user wishing they could always run as admin rather than limited user. "Jo" wrote in message ... Very few programs actually ask me to approve them everytime I run them, in fact, hardly any. If your argument is correct, then all those programs could be run be a "rogue" program. So what exactly is being protected? I thought that was what anti-virus and programs like Defender were for? Do you actually have to give permission every time you run every program? I have UAC turned on, and it is only one or two that require it every time. "Jimmy Brush" wrote: Hello, This is a good question, but unfortunately this is not possible right now. The reason is because allowing this would allow programs to attack those programs which you have set to always run with administrator power. Imagine the case where you have set the command prompt to always run with admin power without notifying you. A rogue program could then start up a command prompt behind the scenes and perform privileged actions, essentially bypassing UAC. If Microsoft were to have built this feature into Windows Vista, before long all the malware would have learned how to take advantage of it, effectively making UAC worthless. In the future, programs that don't really need admin power won't ask for it, so this problem will not become as prevalent as it is today. And, hopefully Microsoft will figure out a way to allow this functionality without creating a security vulnerability. -- - JB Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ |
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