Stephan,
If it meets your needs that's all that can be asked of it. I have over
60,000 tracks and I feel the need for organization/indexing/display of the
library contents at multiple levels.

"So what's stopping you from putting both artists into the Artist ID3V2 tag?
I suspect that is what WMP is doing and it just uses the ; as a separator. I
could do the same thing under Rhythmbox easily."

No, WMP separates the concepts of storage, display and editing nicely using
separate tags for each artist. Just using ; as a separator in Rhythmbox just
creates additional artists (e.g. "Mick Jagger", "David Bowie", and "Mick
Jagger;David Bowie").

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:36:47 -0400, cvp wrote:

Stephan,

I've tried both of those (and all the players readily available in
Ubuntu). But there is no support for multiple artists or composers -
hence my question. I found it hard to believe that the Linux world was
so far behind what was available so many years ago in Windows and WMP10,
let alone WMP11. But maybe so...



*shrug* Rhythmbox meets my needs perfectly so I have never bothered to
check if there is anything else out there. After all, why should I bother
looking for other apps if the one I use does everything I need it to?

It can handle multiple artists / composers in one single album absolutely
no problem.

And even multiple artists in one song actually aren't a problem.

When I type in the partial name of a song, I get a match for all songs
that contain that partial name. The same would apply for artists.

So what's stopping you from putting both artists into the Artist ID3V2
tag? I suspect that is what WMP is doing and it just uses the ; as a
separator. I could do the same thing under Rhythmbox easily.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be "a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!

Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF! That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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60,000 eh? Well then I do understand fully your need for some
automation. (Read your replies first)

Actually I managed to do an app to use as a kind of timed "Jukebox" at
work with Visual Studio and WMP is not that bad to work with once you
figure a few things out, it's beyond my ability but I think you can
pretty much change the way the indexing works and so on. you might try a
question in the VS newsgroup to see if anyone's playing with that. You
may not be able to change the app but you might be able to manipulate
the files a bit from outside - it's like one big ActiveX control. I
actually built my own database. Very crude but also indestructible which
was essential Simpler the better in that case.

In fact our door alarm at work is WMP 6.4 that is simply called each
time a switch closes with the switching detected by a DIO board to
deliver the url of one of 20 MP3 files.

I'm sure there's a much more elaborate way to do it but it's worked
flawlessly for 3 years and cost 1/10th what a commercial product was
selling for


cvp wrote:
Charlie,
If WMP was perfect I wouldn't be looking at alternatives!
However, indexing into a large collection by one of several artists on
the same track is one of its good features. One the settings have been
set, it's not really all that intrusive. But ...YMMV

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
No offence because it's personal taste but quite honestly I dislike
WMP with every nes "Feature" they add. It is simply too much work to
mess with all those settings when I just want to listen to music. I
personally find the information it increasingly wants to collect, and
"Refer" to the internet about, is invasive.

Door Alarm! Wow! Would never have thought about using WMP for that.

If I stay with windows, WMP does all I need. But I'm trying to position
myself for possible migration/coexistence with Linux. Part of that is either
Linux player with WMA, or Windows & Linux players with Flac (along with
ensuring the integrity of the tags if I convert them to Flac. I have other
reasons for liking Flac - Squeezeboxes. So I'm investigating WMA players,
Flac players and WMA to Flac conversion in three parallel paths. All a bit
troublesome!

This is not to mention 2TB support, Raid support, TV Tuner support and a
bunch of Win apps I depend on.
So I'm in the position of not wanting to be tied to the one proprietary
platform that does everything I need.
Perverse eh? g

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
60,000 eh? Well then I do understand fully your need for some automation.
(Read your replies first)

Actually I managed to do an app to use as a kind of timed "Jukebox" at
work with Visual Studio and WMP is not that bad to work with once you
figure a few things out, it's beyond my ability but I think you can pretty
much change the way the indexing works and so on. you might try a question
in the VS newsgroup to see if anyone's playing with that. You may not be
able to change the app but you might be able to manipulate the files a bit
from outside - it's like one big ActiveX control. I actually built my own
database. Very crude but also indestructible which was essential
Simpler the better in that case.

In fact our door alarm at work is WMP 6.4 that is simply called each time
a switch closes with the switching detected by a DIO board to deliver the
url of one of 20 MP3 files.

I'm sure there's a much more elaborate way to do it but it's worked
flawlessly for 3 years and cost 1/10th what a commercial product was
selling for


cvp wrote:
Charlie,
If WMP was perfect I wouldn't be looking at alternatives!
However, indexing into a large collection by one of several artists on
the same track is one of its good features. One the settings have been
set, it's not really all that intrusive. But ...YMMV

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
No offence because it's personal taste but quite honestly I dislike WMP
with every nes "Feature" they add. It is simply too much work to mess
with all those settings when I just want to listen to music. I
personally find the information it increasingly wants to collect, and
"Refer" to the internet about, is invasive.

try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile and it
has a good file menu

"cvp" wrote:

OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be "a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!

Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF! That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I already tried it. The V2 doesn't handle
multiple artists at all. The V3 Beta does recognize them in WMA tracks, but
merely displays them all as a single artist in the artist field (same true
for conversions, whee it actually moves them to a single tag). The indexing
merges Album artist and Artist which is a bitconfusing. However V3 isn't
finished yet, so I'm keeping my eye on it. A pretty neat program even tho
Windows only. It's probably the closest I've found so far and easy
conversion too.


"tim" wrote in message
...
try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile and
it
has a good file menu

"cvp" wrote:

OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't
care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function
doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search
skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be
"a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've
come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come
close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for
years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!

Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF! That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in
a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because
it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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* cvp:
O K Guys! Let me top into the wealth of knowledge here...

I'm looking for an alternative to WMP11 with the ability to deal with music
files properly (see below...). I've worked my way through a whole bunch of
these without success. and I'm looking for one that runs in Windows Vista
and one that runs in Ubuntu, but they don't have to be the same. It would be
nice if they could play WMA files (lossless) but if necessary I'd be OK with
FLAC if I can find a converter that maintains the integrity of the tags
(Media Monkey V3 Beta comes close).

So what do I mean by "properly"? I need the function (as in WMP) of
a) Holding multiple artists and composers as separate entities (separate
from Album Artist)
b) Allowing indexing. into the library by each of the artists or
composers
c) Allowing editing of the multiple artists/ composers per track
d) Supporting ripping/tagging of multiple artists/composers via the
usual DBs

If that's confusing, perhaps an example would help:
For an album "Live Aid" with a track "Dancing in the Streets" by Mick Jagger
and David Bowie, WMP will allow me to access the track by Album Artist
(Various), by Album Title, or by either of the two artists. It will show
both artists under "Artist" for the track by separating them with "; " and
allow editing by entering them separated by ";" (no space). Under the covers
it holds then as
separate ID3V2 tags using an "Artist" tag for the first artist and multiple
"Author" tags for subsequent artists. FLAC tagging allows multiple "Artist"
tags but there doesn't seem to be standard usage of that capability. I guess
you could say that WMP sets its own standard - but one which works well.

Media Monkey. I love it.

They offer a free and paid version.
http://www.mediamonkey.com/
http://www.mediamonkey.com/download.htm


Take care,

Michael

I just posted a reply about Media Monkey before I had seen
this post.

I like Media Monkey very much, it's well worth paying for the
Gold version. It's a lot more stable and useful than WMP.
Hopefully, V3 will do what you want.


Take care,

Michael

* cvp:
Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I already tried it. The V2 doesn't handle
multiple artists at all. The V3 Beta does recognize them in WMA tracks, but
merely displays them all as a single artist in the artist field (same true
for conversions, whee it actually moves them to a single tag). The indexing
merges Album artist and Artist which is a bitconfusing. However V3 isn't
finished yet, so I'm keeping my eye on it. A pretty neat program even tho
Windows only. It's probably the closest I've found so far and easy
conversion too.


"tim" wrote in message
...
try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile and
it
has a good file menu

"cvp" wrote:

OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't
care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function
doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search
skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be
"a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've
come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come
close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for
years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!
Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF! That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in
a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because
it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Tim,
I'm backing off my previous reply a little after a morning's research into
the Media Monkey Forums and downloading the latest Beta of V3.
a) The multiple artists are no longer concatenated into an additional artist
b) The indexing I want is in the "wish list"
c) Apparently V3 will "make nice" with WINE (not perfect but better than
nothing)



"cvp" wrote in message
...
Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I already tried it. The V2 doesn't handle
multiple artists at all. The V3 Beta does recognize them in WMA tracks,
but merely displays them all as a single artist in the artist field (same
true for conversions, whee it actually moves them to a single tag). The
indexing merges Album artist and Artist which is a bitconfusing. However
V3 isn't finished yet, so I'm keeping my eye on it. A pretty neat program
even tho Windows only. It's probably the closest I've found so far and
easy conversion too.


"tim" wrote in message
...
try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile and
it
has a good file menu

"cvp" wrote:

OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't
care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function
doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search
skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be
"a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've
come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come
close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for
years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!

Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF!
That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in
a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because
it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

������出�日�ん�����
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Michael,

I'm really impressed by it as well. I updated my reply to Tim by adding:

"I'm backing off my previous reply a little after a morning's research into
the Media Monkey Forums and downloading the latest Beta of V3.
a) The multiple artists are no longer concatenated into an additional artist
b) The indexing I want is in the "wish list"
c) Apparently V3 will "make nice" with WINE (not perfect but better than
nothing)"

Paying the extra for the Gold version is not a problem. (a rounding error in
what my setup has cost!)
It'll be somewhat strange that the best Linux solution I can find is a
paid-for emulated Windows application!

I still have-to make a separate decision on WMA vs Flac

"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
I just posted a reply about Media Monkey before I had seen
this post.

I like Media Monkey very much, it's well worth paying for the
Gold version. It's a lot more stable and useful than WMP.
Hopefully, V3 will do what you want.


Take care,

Michael

* cvp:
Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I already tried it. The V2 doesn't handle
multiple artists at all. The V3 Beta does recognize them in WMA tracks,
but
merely displays them all as a single artist in the artist field (same
true
for conversions, whee it actually moves them to a single tag). The
indexing
merges Album artist and Artist which is a bitconfusing. However V3 isn't
finished yet, so I'm keeping my eye on it. A pretty neat program even tho
Windows only. It's probably the closest I've found so far and easy
conversion too.


"tim" wrote in message
...
try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile
and
it
has a good file menu

"cvp" wrote:

OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

"I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about."

That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't
care
about which artists are in your library, I understand this function
doesn't
mean much to you. I do care.

cvp

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:48 -0400, cvp wrote:

Paul,

I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search
skills
are lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be
"a
good idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've
come
across.. That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux
world might have come across as least one good one that could come
close
to the Windows WMP10 & 11 functionality which has been around for
years.
All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
performing the same function - what a waste of talent!
Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF!
That'd
be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

And I'll tell you why too.

Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in
a
track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because
it
severely cluttered up my artist list.

I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
anything about.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

������出�日�ん�����
����忘れ�������ら