OK, great! Guess that's why free quicktime wasn't working for all those who
complained on forums cuz they hadn't loaded SP1 to Vista & other codecs
didn't work. I'll wait til SP1 is auto loaded so I have right codec then
download itunes & quicktime. Ur post should help others with same conversion
problem.
I will post again as soon as I try it to let U know if solved.
Thanks,
Silverwire
--------
"PapaJohn" wrote:

I use iTunes on my XP, Vista and Vista SP1 systems... it's a free download
from

http://www.apple.com/mac/

the installation includes a QuickTime player... which provides the codec
needed by the Expression Encoder to handle MOV files.... just to recap
what's happening.

I'd wait on SP1 until you need it or it's automatically updated by
Microsoft. The only reason I have one system running it is because I'm a
beta tester. My production system doesn't have it.

Thanks for the good comments...
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
Thanks, PapaJohn. You are most helpful on any forum I found & only one
giving info specific to my problem tho its not yet solved cuz I dont have
iTunes or QuickTime & all forums say free quicktime doesn't work to
convert
.mov on Vista. So do I need to buy QuicktimePro or whatever has iTunes
bundled & install SP1 before I can convert .mov? Or do U have any other
solution? So far, I find no other workable "free" or paid solutions on any
forum or ad, & I don't want to buy something that won't work.

I havent installed SP1 yet cuz I just read caution on Windows Update for
Vista users to wait til April for "automatic" update of SP1. Also Office
Depot computer rep told me yesterday MS plans release of SP2 in April or
May
so I wonder if SP2 is "fix" of SP1 and reason for caution remark. Any idea
on
this?

Sorry to ask so many questions but I am new to Vista, had Windows 2000 b4
Vista (no XP), and no movie or digital photo or ipod, etc. experience and
trying not to crash my system like I hear others do from trying random
stuff.
Checkd out ur website - it's GREAT! Very well written, clear explanations
for
lots of other problems. Other users should check it out.
Thanks again.
Silverwire
---------

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of
money
for!

----------------
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just looking for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion, or is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of the trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds good, and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless pieces of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of money
for!

----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion, or is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of
money
for!

----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
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follow
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone uses those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion, or is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of
money
for!

----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
this
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then
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a 3g2 test
file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone uses
those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just
looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows
Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion, or
is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so
I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough.
The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds
good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked
in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6,
Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this?
I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of
money
for!

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
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then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

Papa John:
You gave me good advice to "wait for automatic update of SP1 unless you
really need it", and want you to know I'm still waiting cuz I don't want to
download SP1 from Microsoft since now I know why it hasn't appeared on MY
automatic update. Mike Nash, Windows Product Management, has blog "Windows
Vista News" at link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx ).
Nash says: "In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista SP1 to
Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded
automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines has a
driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1 automatically. As
updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed
automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from
getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will
automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have a good
experience."
I must have some of those drivers that don't update correctly and since I
don't need any "bad experiences", I think I'll wait for SP1 to appear in
automatic Update.
If you want to hear lots of bad experiences trying to download SP1, check
out the windowsvistablog.com site and read about angry Vista users upset with
Microsoft because of many SP1 issues: not identifying which drivers don't
work, not fixing driver problems before release, no "official" one-stop
website to address issues and problems directly. MS could have sent notices
via auto-update about cause of delays and problems instead of allowing users
to spend useless hours trying to install or fix crashed systems. Very bad PR
for MS and their SP1.
Meanwhile, what is Microsoft Expressions? Is it something I can use to
convert MOV files to WMV? Does it need SP1 loaded first and will I still need
Quicktime? (which downloads needed and in what order?)
Thanks again, Papa John, for good advice and clear directions.
Still waiting,
Silverwire



"PapaJohn" wrote:

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a 3g2 test
file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone uses
those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just
looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows
Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion, or
is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system, so
I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was enough.
The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds
good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't checked
in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6,
Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns, lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on this?
I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots of
money
for!

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
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then
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

The following free online converter can
convert .mov files:

MediaConvert
http://media-convert.com/

Also you may find Super to be worth a try:

SUPER © Simplified
Universal Player Encoder & Renderer
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER_1
(the mirror download site is faster)

--

John Inzer
Digital Media MVP

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk
==================================

Papa John:
You gave me good advice to "wait for automatic update of SP1 unless
you
really need it", and want you to know I'm still waiting cuz I don't
want to
download SP1 from Microsoft since now I know why it hasn't appeared
on MY
automatic update. Mike Nash, Windows Product Management, has blog
"Windows
Vista News" at link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx
). Nash says: "In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista
SP1 to
Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded
automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines
has a
driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1
automatically. As
updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed
automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from
getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will
automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have
a good
experience."
I must have some of those drivers that don't update correctly and
since I
don't need any "bad experiences", I think I'll wait for SP1 to appear
in
automatic Update.
If you want to hear lots of bad experiences trying to download SP1,
check
out the windowsvistablog.com site and read about angry Vista users
upset with
Microsoft because of many SP1 issues: not identifying which drivers
don't
work, not fixing driver problems before release, no "official"
one-stop
website to address issues and problems directly. MS could have sent
notices
via auto-update about cause of delays and problems instead of
allowing users
to spend useless hours trying to install or fix crashed systems. Very
bad PR
for MS and their SP1.
Meanwhile, what is Microsoft Expressions? Is it something I can use to
convert MOV files to WMV? Does it need SP1 loaded first and will I
still need
Quicktime? (which downloads needed and in what order?)
Thanks again, Papa John, for good advice and clear directions.
Still waiting,
Silverwire



"PapaJohn" wrote:

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a
3g2 test file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone
uses those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP
laptop and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a
trial version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can
either buy the program, or let it revert to the free Express
version. I'm just looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with
Windows Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the
conversion, or is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end
of the trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just
tested the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file
conversion to WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the
system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was
enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and
sounds good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't
checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't
tried converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in
message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM
6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users
have same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns,
lost audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we
can use this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your
music, videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I
was scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on
this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid
lots of money
for!

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

Hi Silverwire,

Yes, the free trial and then the ongoing free Express version of the
Expression Encoder 2 can convert MOV files to WMV. It's now in first place
on my website's list of conversion tools for the file type.

http://www.microsoft.com/expression/...y=encoder2beta

It needs the SP1 version of XP (when you're ready for it someday).... and
the .net framework version 3.5 (which it'll download/install for you as part
of its instsallation)

To handle MOV files, it'll need codecs... if you don't have them,
downloading/installing iTunes, with the optional QuickTime Player... is
sufficient.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

thanks for the good words
--

PapaJohn (MVP)
www.papajohn.org

"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
Papa John:
You gave me good advice to "wait for automatic update of SP1 unless you
really need it", and want you to know I'm still waiting cuz I don't want
to
download SP1 from Microsoft since now I know why it hasn't appeared on MY
automatic update. Mike Nash, Windows Product Management, has blog "Windows
Vista News" at link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx )
.
Nash says: "In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista SP1 to
Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded
automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines has a
driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1 automatically.
As
updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed
automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from
getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will
automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have a
good
experience."
I must have some of those drivers that don't update correctly and since I
don't need any "bad experiences", I think I'll wait for SP1 to appear in
automatic Update.
If you want to hear lots of bad experiences trying to download SP1, check
out the windowsvistablog.com site and read about angry Vista users upset
with
Microsoft because of many SP1 issues: not identifying which drivers don't
work, not fixing driver problems before release, no "official" one-stop
website to address issues and problems directly. MS could have sent
notices
via auto-update about cause of delays and problems instead of allowing
users
to spend useless hours trying to install or fix crashed systems. Very bad
PR
for MS and their SP1.
Meanwhile, what is Microsoft Expressions? Is it something I can use to
convert MOV files to WMV? Does it need SP1 loaded first and will I still
need
Quicktime? (which downloads needed and in what order?)
Thanks again, Papa John, for good advice and clear directions.
Still waiting,
Silverwire



"PapaJohn" wrote:

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a 3g2
test
file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone uses
those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP
laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a
trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy
the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just
looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows
Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion,
or
is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of
the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just
tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion
to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system,
so
I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was
enough.
The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds
good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't
checked
in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't
tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in
message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6,
Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users
have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns,
lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can
use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your
music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I
was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on
this?
I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots
of
money
for!

----------------
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to
the
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

PapaJohn:
Did you mean Vista instead of XP? You say "it" (Expressions) needs SP1
version of XP & the .net framework version 3.5 (which will be
dwnload/installed for me "when I'm ready".) Sure hope you meant Vista cuz I
never had XP. I bought HP Media Center system new last March 2007 with Vista
already installed. (sometimes wish I bought XP instead!) I'm ready, but it's
either Vista or drivers not ready!

The link I gave last week (Nash, Windows Product Mgmt) says problem with SP1
& Vista, not XP. Says no MS auto download of SP1 on Vista if drivers don't
pass some "use test" MS uses during auto update & no SP1 auto dwnload until
new compatible drivers available. Most who download from MS website say have
system crashes, probly frm those uncompatible drivers.

Many on forum really upset cuz MS won't say WHICH drivers don't work with
Vista & SP1. They want them ID'd so users put pressure on driver mfg's. to
make compatible w/Vista sooner. I would too if I knew which. Any idea which
drivers cause Vista problems? I think maybe my new HPC5180 printer I got same
time Vista. Sometimes printer freezes up Vista system, have to disconnect
&/or restart printer, sometimes delete print spool file to release system.

Trying to convert .mov files in Vista has really opened a can of snakes (not
worms!) for me & many others as I see on several forums. Guess I just look at
it as opportunity to learn but sure is time consuming! Hope MS & drivers get
compatible soon!
Thanks again for your patience and information.
Silverwire

"PapaJohn" wrote:

Hi Silverwire,

Yes, the free trial and then the ongoing free Express version of the
Expression Encoder 2 can convert MOV files to WMV. It's now in first place
on my website's list of conversion tools for the file type.

http://www.microsoft.com/expression/...y=encoder2beta

It needs the SP1 version of XP (when you're ready for it someday).... and
the .net framework version 3.5 (which it'll download/install for you as part
of its instsallation)

To handle MOV files, it'll need codecs... if you don't have them,
downloading/installing iTunes, with the optional QuickTime Player... is
sufficient.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

thanks for the good words
--

PapaJohn (MVP)
www.papajohn.org

"Silverwire" wrote in message
...
Papa John:
You gave me good advice to "wait for automatic update of SP1 unless you
really need it", and want you to know I'm still waiting cuz I don't want
to
download SP1 from Microsoft since now I know why it hasn't appeared on MY
automatic update. Mike Nash, Windows Product Management, has blog "Windows
Vista News" at link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx )
.
Nash says: "In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista SP1 to
Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded
automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines has a
driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1 automatically.
As
updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed
automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from
getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will
automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have a
good
experience."
I must have some of those drivers that don't update correctly and since I
don't need any "bad experiences", I think I'll wait for SP1 to appear in
automatic Update.
If you want to hear lots of bad experiences trying to download SP1, check
out the windowsvistablog.com site and read about angry Vista users upset
with
Microsoft because of many SP1 issues: not identifying which drivers don't
work, not fixing driver problems before release, no "official" one-stop
website to address issues and problems directly. MS could have sent
notices
via auto-update about cause of delays and problems instead of allowing
users
to spend useless hours trying to install or fix crashed systems. Very bad
PR
for MS and their SP1.
Meanwhile, what is Microsoft Expressions? Is it something I can use to
convert MOV files to WMV? Does it need SP1 loaded first and will I still
need
Quicktime? (which downloads needed and in what order?)
Thanks again, Papa John, for good advice and clear directions.
Still waiting,
Silverwire



"PapaJohn" wrote:

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a 3g2
test
file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone uses
those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP
laptop
and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a
trial
version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can either buy
the
program, or let it revert to the free Express version. I'm just
looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with Windows
Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the conversion,
or
is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end of
the
trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just
tested
the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file conversion
to
WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the system,
so
I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was
enough.
The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and sounds
good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't
checked
in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't
tried
converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in
message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM 6.0.6,
Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users
have
same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns,
lost
audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we can
use
this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your
music,
videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I
was
scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on
this?
I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid lots
of
money
for!

----------------
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to
the
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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video

John:
Thanks for reply, but need to know if you are using MediaConvert on Vista?
If yes, did you have to download (or did MS auto download) SP1 to Vista? I
read Kim Komando's report on trying MediaConvert for some video files and she
said while it worked for her, it was rather complicated to use and I'm not
sure she converted .mov files.

Lots others on this and other forums offered advice for conversion programs
but none were specific to Vista and/or to converting .mov files except
PapaJohn. Most were for XP which I don't have, or for other types of files to
be converted. Most posts on .mov conversion are questions "how to" and horror
stories about trying to convert (with no solutions) or else they don't say
what OS they were using.

I use my computer daily for several groups emails and information
newsletters, and other stuff online every day so don't want to crash my
system which is what I see talked about on this and other forums where users
have tried many different programs to convert .mov files with very bad
results. Right now, I need my computer for all other stuff more than I have
to convert my .mov files although I sure would like to be able to convert a
few short videos I took on trip to China 2 years ago.

I could not find any Vista success stories till PapaJohn's reply plus I
found the MS forum which explained why I had not yet seen auto download of
SP1.

Thanks
Silverwire

"John Inzer" wrote:

The following free online converter can
convert .mov files:

MediaConvert
http://media-convert.com/

Also you may find Super to be worth a try:

SUPER © Simplified
Universal Player Encoder & Renderer
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER_1
(the mirror download site is faster)

--

John Inzer
Digital Media MVP

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk
==================================

Papa John:
You gave me good advice to "wait for automatic update of SP1 unless
you
really need it", and want you to know I'm still waiting cuz I don't
want to
download SP1 from Microsoft since now I know why it hasn't appeared
on MY
automatic update. Mike Nash, Windows Product Management, has blog
"Windows
Vista News" at link:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...vista-sp1.aspx
). Nash says: "In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista
SP1 to
Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded
automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines
has a
driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1
automatically. As
updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed
automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from
getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will
automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have
a good
experience."
I must have some of those drivers that don't update correctly and
since I
don't need any "bad experiences", I think I'll wait for SP1 to appear
in
automatic Update.
If you want to hear lots of bad experiences trying to download SP1,
check
out the windowsvistablog.com site and read about angry Vista users
upset with
Microsoft because of many SP1 issues: not identifying which drivers
don't
work, not fixing driver problems before release, no "official"
one-stop
website to address issues and problems directly. MS could have sent
notices
via auto-update about cause of delays and problems instead of
allowing users
to spend useless hours trying to install or fix crashed systems. Very
bad PR
for MS and their SP1.
Meanwhile, what is Microsoft Expressions? Is it something I can use to
convert MOV files to WMV? Does it need SP1 loaded first and will I
still need
Quicktime? (which downloads needed and in what order?)
Thanks again, Papa John, for good advice and clear directions.
Still waiting,
Silverwire



"PapaJohn" wrote:

the help file says it does.... but I'd like to test it. I'd like a
3g2 test file, so email one and I'll let you know.

papajohn.....at..... chartermi...... dot..... net

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
Great! One more question--will it convert .3g2 files (my LG phone
uses those
for video) to .WMV?

"PapaJohn" wrote:

It'll continue to work... I'm running the Express version on my XP
laptop and just conversted an MOV file to check it.

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"LisaR" wrote in message
...
PapaJohn--

According to the Microsoft Expressions website, we can download a
trial version of the Encoder. At the end of the trial, we can
either buy the program, or let it revert to the free Express
version. I'm just looking
for
something to convert .MOV files to something compatible with
Windows Movie
Maker, preferably something other than .AVI.

Do you know if the Express version will still make the
conversion, or is
that one of the functionalities that will be disabled at the end
of the trial
period?

Thanks!

LisaR

"PapaJohn" wrote:

I did a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 last night, and just
tested the
new Expression Encoder 2 beta on it... doing an MOV file
conversion to WMV.

It wouldn't import an MOV file without a player app on the
system, so I
installed iTunes with the bundled QuickTime player. That was
enough. The
conversion process went well and the new WMV file looks and
sounds good,
and
is in sync.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"PapaJohn" wrote in message
...
My website's Import Movie Source Files Video MOV page has a
section
about converting them... with 3 conversion tools I haven't
checked in
Vista yet.

3rd on my list is the new Expression Media Encoder, which I know
converts
MOV files fine on XP. The app runs well on Vista but I haven't
tried converting MOV files yet in the Vista environment.

Good idea, something to check.
--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn (MVP)


"Silverwire" wrote in
message
...
My Olympus FE190 & Nikon cameras use .mov video format. My
HPm7750n
Vista Hm
Premium OS w/media cntr pkg (WMP, WMC, NVIDIA 6150LE, WMM
6.0.6, Muvee
Autoproducer 5.0, Creator Basic V9-Roxio) all totally useless
pieces
of
junk
for videos because none use .mov files and Vista can't convert.

I googled, read many forums incl. this 1 & find 1000s of users
have same
problem. So far, no successful solution. Some claim to have
codecs,
updates,
other fixes but downloaders all complain of buffer overruns,
lost audio,
poor
quality, or just don't work in Vista, incl. Creator V10.

Microsoft needs to bite the Apple (bullet) & make a deal with
Quicktime
to
get a conversion program that WORKS in Vista as "fix" so we
can use this
over-priced, ego-inflated, misrepresented OS to "Access your
music, videos
and photos" as it claims on the front of my PC. I feel like I
was scammed by
ads and salesmen when I bought PC last year.

Anybody else out there interested in complaining on every forum
possible
to
get Microsoft moving on a solution? Is MS already working on
this? I
just
want to be able to make movies and use the features I paid
lots of money
for!

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft
responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
button, follow
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link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based
Newsreader and
then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video