On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:32:34 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:

"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote:

Ted

Go to this website.. then scroll down to the two part Mac vs PC discussion..
you may learn something..

http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/


Didn't learn anything new... sorry... just this simple quote, which
might be nice for you to read over since it's SO TRUE!

"What makes Apple better than Microsoft is that they implement their
features with superior fit and finish, faster and with fewer resources"

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.
If your MAC is so good why does it have a Windows emulater?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:24:42 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:


No, Vista has a long way to go until it can be compared to OSX in terms
of security or being advanced enough for large IT departments. You are
forgetting OSX is far more battle tested in the field than any version
of Windows could ever hope to be

This is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

"Hertz_Donut" wrote:


Quoted out of context...he was joking, but then MAC users have no sense of
humor and therefore cannot discern when someone is telling a joke.

MACs are for adolescent snobs that like to claim they are better than anyone
else because they use a glorified etch-a-sketch.

no! it wasn't taken out of context, that is what is so scary! he was
seriously sad about how microsoft had been developing products.

read it here!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/110354.asp

or right here... letter by letter, word by word...

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant. I'm sorry.

I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our
customers (both business and home) the most, but in my view we lost our
way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what
resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what
performance means, how important current applications are, and really
understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face are.
I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn't
translate onto great products.

I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you
run the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to basically all
Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not
lose their way. You must watch this new video below. I know this doesn't
show anything for businesses, but my point is about the philosophy that
Apple uses. They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast. I
know there is nothing hugely deep in this.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/video/ilife04_32C.html [Note: link no
longer works]

(added: working link)

http://www.apple.com/ilife/

I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do
what I called plan (b) yesterday We need a simple fast storage system.
LH is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are to
rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

jim

---

bottom line is... no amount of money in the world can fix microsoft
quickly, they have no resources to make program suites on the level of
iLife, much less try and compete against OSX or Final Cut level software.

they are a heavy, sinking ship without rudder. only massive downsizing
can help them.

Ted Landry wrote:

no! it wasn't taken out of context, that is what is so scary! he was
seriously sad about how microsoft had been developing products.

read it here!
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/110354.asp

or right here... letter by letter, word by word...

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant...snip If we are to
rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

This is my favorite part!

The thing is, Jim is right and Bill and Steve still sat on their arses
and did nothing. Bill is starting to come around, but Steve is probably
never going to be able to be objective about their software again, he's
too much of a Billy butt boy now.

--
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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS ****S LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

"Eric" wrote:

That is mostly fluff, and attempting to say "my OS is better than yours",
while you don't really mention any more facts than the Vista guy. Instead
of boasting that Mac will replace IBM PCs, try explaining why. Compare
actual features, and remember that usability is very important. Remember
that while the next generation growing up may be more knowledgeable about
computers, they are also lazier and don't want to learn any more than they
need. Unless they are forced to learn your Mac OS in our school system,
they will probably stick with what they know, which is what their parents
have, which for most of them is IBM PCs.

the facts are well known, but if you want a homework assignment young
man, go to the links below and THEN go find me a PC that closely matches
each of those specs... for a similar price (bet you can't!)

Be sure the PC(s) includes the features of iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD,
iTunes, Garageband) make sure they have wireless, make sure they all
have a remote control to view your iLife (or similar) projects, make
sure it has FireWire ports, make sure it's "silent" during operation,
make sure all the ones with Monitors also have built in cameras... then
with the Laptops, make sure they are as thin, have 4 hour battery life,
firewire ports, and 802.11n.

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html

Use 'lowest cost" for both the PC and the Mac... don't make the common
PC user mistake of using a cheap PC, then only showing full Retail price
for the Mac. Again, use the cheapest for both.

Get back with us okay? I think you'll find exactly what I've said all
along... "if you want the most features, for the least amount of money",
you'll get a Mac every time.

In your attempt to boast that your system is "better", you mention what also
sounds like a negative, "there is technically no way to get into a Mac
machine unless you are physically in front of it." What if you WANT to get
into it remotely? If something needs to be changed in the middle of the
night, your IT guy has to drive in to the office? Who's going to fly the IT
guy in the corporate office in New York out to the computer in the Milwaukee
office?

Ah, are you just being naive? If you are "allowed" into a Mac there are
dozens of ways in. Apple sells the highly awarded Apple Remote Desktop

http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

There are about 9 VNC clients...

The program that started it all in the 80's "Timbuktu" is still around,
and several others.

http://www.netopia.com/software/products/tb2/mac/

You need to do some studying on analogies. The car did not make the horse
"obsolete". Horses are still alive today. They just don't exactly serve
the purpose they might have 150 years ago. I did see plenty of horse drawn
vehicles on the road just yesterday. Better yet, don't try to use
analogies, just state factual comparisons.

Don't be dumb. The horse was certainly the main mode of transportation
before the car. That's why car engines are rated by "horse power", duh!

Analogies are powerful when used correctly. Yes, there are some people
who are poorly educated... so an analogy is too sophisticated a method
in which to illustrate comparisons. "but most people" reading these
forums can handle a more complex level of thought. Perhaps you can't? is
that the problem?

-

bp wrote:

No, Vista has a long way to go until it can be compared to OSX in terms
of security or being advanced enough for large IT departments. You are
forgetting OSX is far more battle tested in the field than any version
of Windows could ever hope to be

This is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

how so? OSX has been tested much longer than Windows, it dates back to
the early 70's before Microsoft was even around... follow the Unix
history chart back... follow the OSX line back and you'll see Windows
doesn't even compare in terms of being "battle tested" more than OSX.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/

bp wrote:

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.
If your MAC is so good why does it have a Windows emulater?

ah, first of all... it's not MAC... it's Mac, or mac... NEVER "MAC". So
you are wrong right at the start.

2nd... no Mac comes with a "Windows" emulator... that's only added later
for people still needing hand holding before they enter the modern
computer world. and 3rd, it's NOT an "emulator", it's a Virtual Machine.

Read up on it next time...

http://www.parallels.com/

according to apple.com it is ".Mac" ??

"Ted Landry" wrote in message
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bp wrote:

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.
If your MAC is so good why does it have a Windows emulater?

ah, first of all... it's not MAC... it's Mac, or mac... NEVER "MAC". So
you are wrong right at the start.

2nd... no Mac comes with a "Windows" emulator... that's only added later
for people still needing hand holding before they enter the modern
computer world. and 3rd, it's NOT an "emulator", it's a Virtual Machine.

Read up on it next time...

http://www.parallels.com/

I'm not trying to flame... but I hate bottom posting! I have to scroll all
the way down just to read your post because I read the posts before it. I
don't want to read the indented text messages. That said, I dont mind
bottom-posted emails. But bottom posting in newsgroups is useless.


"Ted Landry" wrote in message
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Ron Miller wrote:

yeah, much of it is because they are still clinging to outlook as their
email program and microsoft choose the wrong default behavior for
newsgroups in outlook so they don't understand they are doing it wrong.

it's just another inept mistake by microsoft that ruins how a system
should work. for "email" top posting makes sense... since you are
usually dealing with only one author... but when you get into "groups",
you have to bottom post or it doesn't work.

so sad, ms is making fools of these newbies

This is getting a little creepy. There is just no end to the
foolishness in which you're willing to indulge, is there?
I'm beginning to think that you may be frankly psychotic, bipolar
perhaps, maybe paranoid schizophrenic. You're on heavy doses of
multiple drugs just to make it through the day, aren't you? I'd like to
think you could be helped, but personality disorders are notoriously
difficult to treat. If I'm wrong about the codeable psychiatric
diagnoses, there's still something very, very wrong with you.

Go away, you repulsive troll. We don't care where you go; just vanish.
It's not that anyone here is afraid to hear what you're saying. It's
just that you're a blathering fool with no more credibility than the
slugs in my garden.

not sure what most of your message is trying to convey, but at least you
know how to bottom-post, congrats Ron!

M comes before N which make dot you know which better.
Might have to be a mactroll to be able to figure that one out?

"Mike G" wrote in message ...
according to apple.com it is ".Mac" ??

"Ted Landry" wrote in message
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bp wrote:

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.
If your MAC is so good why does it have a Windows emulater?

ah, first of all... it's not MAC... it's Mac, or mac... NEVER "MAC". So
you are wrong right at the start.

2nd... no Mac comes with a "Windows" emulator... that's only added later
for people still needing hand holding before they enter the modern
computer world. and 3rd, it's NOT an "emulator", it's a Virtual Machine.

Read up on it next time...

http://www.parallels.com/